One a compelling novel of personal awakening and rebellion; the other a memoir of moving across the world to begin a whole new chapter as a 50-something, the women at the heart of Emily Perkins’ Ockham NZ Book Awards shortlisted Lioness and Lynn Davidson’s Do You Still Have Time for Chaos? brilliantly confront and dissect the expectations faced by mid-life women – and what happens when those expectations are thrown to the wind.

With Claire Mabey they discuss the personal rebellions depicted in their books, and discuss the fear, excitement, chaos and liberation that a mid-life metamorphosis can bring.